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'The Killing Time' Stats and AARs.
This ribbon is worn by the members of the 31st FG that took part in 'The Killing Time' Below are the stats and AARs.
The night and airstart surprised me, but I gotta admit: it added something to the immersion factor. And it was nice not to have to claw up those 10,000 extra feet.
The last minute mission change didn't create too much of a problem for us, think it was more the last minute issuance of orders from command.
I joined up with Kobra and the the 308th with -tune- on my wing, and I really have to commend him on the job he did. He was never out of icon range the whole time, from launch until he died by a 190, as we were bugging out.
In the 12 o'clock position, we were the first to encounter the LW. First saw them over the Ruhr dead to the east. We engaged them and I got some hits on one, but not enough to even slow him down. A half dozen of us got in a long tail chase with them, dragging us north on a 030 heading. There was just no way to catch the Dora's so I broke off and headed 160 to try to gety back with the buffs. IMHO we chased them too long, and I take reponsibility for that. I shoulda broke off a few minutes sooner.
As the buffs were north of Frankfurt, the rest of the group picked up a bunch of 109's. We were hauling trying to catch back up with the buffs, and got engaged again by another group of 190's. The 190's ended up running off after we chased them to the deck.
Somewhere in the 9,4 box we encountered a pair of 190's heading toward the bombers general area. They did not see us as I was able to wax the first one by crawling up to d 0.5 and hosing him down. I tore a wing off him and he fell 20k in a ball of fire. I gotta admit it was cool to watch. Anyway, Iheaded back upstairs with -tune- and dracon, still trying to find the buffs. At that point I saw the first 190's wingman and dove in on him. Almost the same result as the first. I crawled right up his ass to d 0.5 and let him have it with a real long burst. This time with no visible damage, which is pure BS. I lit him up. He was able to get me to black out after a long dive, and I lost sight of him after that. I think Dracon went on and finally found the buffs, and Tune and I picked up Sharkey, who had turned around to investigate us.
We finally caught up to the buffs in time to see Zeefox rip the wing off of one of the two remaining 450th B-24's. A few of us chased him down to the deck, and he somehow caught Tune with his pants down and smoked him. Raml and I chased him for a couple minutes but there was no way we were gonna catch him. At some point, Rammer said, "Let's get home." And I was thinking that was a pretty good idea myself. We headed west, with Gshep behind us. The three of us landed on fumes about a half hour later. Never saw another soul, allied or luftwaffe.
My total was 1 kill, 2 damaged.
Capt. Dave "=dslk=" Churchill
Operations Officer
31st Fighter Group
Dracons AAR:
Took off from F-6 in P-51d flying high escort for the 450th. Things
were tough from the start with an air-start and darkened pre-dawn sky
conditions. The bombers were placed under escort and the trip to
Germany proceeded. As we entered LW air space, cons entered and
scattered or escort with diving attacks on the 450th. I was to find
myself some 20 miles N of the bombers. After 2 skirmishes that
involved raga, tune, lb, dslk, gshep and others I headed back to the
bombers at the 665 area and finally resumed escort at 10,6,1. Two
were left. Snoopy and Turret. Snoopy was a smoker. The bombers
turned due W for the RTB to F-6. Runnin, Raml, smiley, and others
were there. Snoopy was lost to a diving attack. Turret was escorted
W. Turret was then attacked by a 190 -badf- whom I shot down.
Turret and other pilots of the 31st RTB'd F-6.
Dracon OUT!
Ram1 AAR:
We took off and formed on Daddy and proceeded to the bombers. Once over the
bombers we assumed our 12 high position and climbed to 30K. We encountered
the first wave of enemy planes about 1/2 way to the objective. The enemy
attacked first with 109s from 32K (approx 6 of them). These were engaged
but only briefly to try and drive them off. We then reformed and soon found
the next wave of enemy, these were 13 190s and some 109s mixed in (these
could have been from the first wave). They came in from 32-34K and attacked.
It was at this point that we all got separated. I never saw the group again
until we reformed near the target area to try and fend off 262's. During
the second attack I was able to drive off a couple of 190s, got pings on 1
of them. Then found some 109s attacking the P51s and went in to help there.
Wound up with Shky and I fighting down to about 5K.
After this fight shky and I tried to reform with the bomber and ran into
Kobra. All 3 of us then went after the bombers who were being attacked by
262 and 190s. Once we found them another fight was engaged and again we got
split up. I found a smoking B24 and dslk. A 190 came in hard and fast and
killed the B24 before we could do anything. We gave pursuit but had to give
up as he was just too fast. Dslk, Gshep and I then decided to RTB and all
landed safely at F6 without further incident.
The LW used 3 waves to attack us, this is a good strategy. First wave of
109s were intended to drag us down and away from the second wave of 190s.
The 262s were used after the 190s engaged and the escort was busy. I think
we did OK on the first wave and didn't get suckered down with them, they
were mostly engaged by Daddy and some of the other 31st. The second wave
caused us all kinds of problems and left the bombers very vulnerable to the
262s on their final approach. One suggestion I have is to keep at least 5
P51s high and above the bombers and they don't engage until the 262s
attack. The rest of the squad should deal with the 109s and 190s.
As for 309th kills, I need to wait for all the reports to come in. I
registered 2 kills.
One 109 the other either a 109 or 190, not sure which since I damaged both
and one eventually died. Anyone else from the 309th can put in their views
of what happened.
Ram1
CO 309th FS
Daddy AAR:
31st Rolled with 19 p51s. The darkness made forming up quite difficult, but
shortly after T/O rendezvous was achieved with the 450th BG(H).
307th FS covered the hi 9c
308th FS covered the 12c
309th FS covered the 3c
We lost a few guys to disco right away.
Once we were over the Ruhr a flight of approx 5 190s was seen making fast
attacks through our formation. We were able to fight these 190s off and the
31st claimed 1 or 2 kills here. A few minutes later, a swarm and I do mean
swarm of 109K's appeared on the high 9c of the bombers. Estimated strength
of these 109s was approx 12+ LW. This was JG44. These 109s began their
attacks on the bombers. Their initial attack was blocked successfully by
the ranks of the 31st FG. A few 109s were killed and a few others were seen
smoking. Otto did not seem effective at all in this attack. This battle at
27k quickly turned into a running fight to target. It was pure craziness!!!
We were holding our own quite well against these LW and the 31st claimed
many kills here. THe 262s began their attacks through the bombers, and the
31st was unable to stop them successfully. I dove on a jet after he flew
through the formation and was able to ping him a few times before he got
away. A flight of 109s bounced sharky, slapshot, and I. I claimed 1 109 very
quickly. The me262 attempted to climb away and I was able to close within d4
and nailed him nicely. At this time I saw slapshot go down. Another 109 was
seen smoking who later ditched. The last 109 and I were in a nasty turn
fight, and he also began to smoke. As the 109 was going down the smoking jet
came back around for a final HO pass. I was taken out by the 262. The jet
crashed seconds later.
We were unable to stop the jets from destroying our bombers, even though
most of the enemy a/c had been destroyed by now.
We landed 13 of our 19 p51s. We brought down 7+ LW including 1 262.
Some interesting notes:
It is not difficult to notice that EVERY SINGLE LW in the North attacked
our group. The first 60 minutes of this fight, the 31st was the only Allied
group engaged. Once the fight broke out I never saw another Allied a/c. We
were indeed greatly outnumbered.
In fact even JG2 in the south flew North to attack us.
Rough estimates as to LW strength that attacked us
JG26 190s *5
JG44 109K *12
JG44 Me262 *4
JG2 Me262 * 4
JG2 190 * 10
I don't know where the other allied units were. They sure as heck were not
supporting us. I suppose that is because the RAF is flying purple, so they
can't get to close to the bombers.
We held our own very well. JG26 was nearly destroyed, and JG44 got beat up
pretty dang good. I saw many LW ditch, which is great because they won't be
flying their 1st line a/c next week.
This was a hard frame for us. For the first 60 minutes we were fighting
almost all the LW in the arena and we were alone at this. I thought everyone
did a fantastic job, and I'm quite proud of you guys.
31st lost 6 p51s, and we claimed 7 or 8 LW destroyed. Another 4+ LW were
forced to ditch, which in the long run is just as good.
Nicely done gents
Steve
Ram1 AAR:
The 309th took its position of high 3 O'clock above the bombers. We had two
contacts with the enemy. First was 5 109s that were South of our position
at 30K. They never engaged and kept flying West. The second was 2 190s that
were attempting to attack the bombers. These were driven off.
Bombers were escorted to target and then back to friendly air space. Squad
landed at F9.
309th reports no losses and no kills. Fighters present - Smiley,
Seasky(Hawk?), slpsht, ram1.
Note: slpsht had engine problems (Disco) and needed to RTB, hope that
doesn't count as a loss?
The key to this mission was being above the incoming fighters. We were able
to get to 32K (but its hard to hold that alt in P51D). However, once near
the target we were able to keep speed and alt, so we could gain the
advantage on the attackers and drive them off.
Ram1
CO 309th FS
Kobra AAR:
The 308th was well ahead in the 12oc position and had limited enemy
sightings. There was one 109 (probably a scout) over the target area, who
decided not to attack us. I had us a bit out of position when the jets came
through on our egress, but the other squads managed to keep the jets from
downing any bombers.
All in all, it was a pretty successful mission. We got to the target, let
the heavies do their thing and got out with only minor damage to one bomber.
We report no kills and no deaths. Bomber coverage was good tonight. We
didn't kill any LW, but we didn't allow them to get our chubby friends
either :)
308th members flying were efiter, sadsac, tune, bllxxm and myself. Other
than some disco problems, all were right there in tight formation for the
whole flight. Nice flying guys.
Kobra
CO 308th FS/31st FG
"Return with Honor"
Dracon AAR:
The 307th took off from F-6 and maintained contact at the high 9
o'clock position of the 450th Bomber Group.
Coverage was provided to and from the target with minor engagements.
The 307th RTB'd with No kills no losses.
Members present were: (5) Dracon, Runnin, -rebl-, Tinyti, and Gshep.
A well done to the 307th and the 31st FG.
Dracon
CO 307th FS
31st FG
"Return With Honor"
Dracon AAR:
The 307th took off F-6 in P-51s B/D Lite 5 pilots strong. We circled
and landed for refueling at F-6. T+25, The 307th took off F-6 and
joined the rest of the 31st and the 450th BG in the escort position
at the bombers 9 O'clock enroute to Dassau.
The 307th engaged in several skirmishes with the LW. Resulting in
one confirmed kill for -rebl- and the loss of Tinyti while covering
SadSac's 6. A shot-out engine forced Tinyti to ditch, but 3 LW
followed him in, destroying his aircraft. Tinyti then manned DAR and
provided further positional assistance to the 307th, 31st FG and
450th BG.
Submitted to Daddy= CO of the 31st FG and with my appreciation for
a "Job Well Done" to the fighting 307th.
Dracon
CO 307th FS
31st FG
"Return With Honor"
Kobra AAR:
The 308th was flying the 12 oc position ahead of the bombers. About 1/2 way
to the target we had a radar report of LW activity near our route. A few
minutes later we blew thru a group of 3 FW 190's and gave chase. They were
not very interested in fighting us, but did make a right turn that allowed
us to catch one of them. Eventually he was caught and shot down.
Unfortunately, the others had broken to cover him and one of them managed to
get Hazard's horizontal stabilizer. We got one, but also lost one of our
group.
A bit later we caught up to the bombers, in time to try to keep the 262's
away. That was a big mismatch of speeds and I don't think any of us had much
luck persuading the 262's to go elsewhere. They made a pass or two, then
wisked away. There were also a couple of 109s in the area, but they weren't
a threat.
The rest of the flight was uneventful. Once the 262's left, we faced no more
LW challenges and cruised home. I think we lost one bomber to the LW guns
(and a few to discos). We shot down one 190, but lost a P51d.
Kobra
CO 308th FS/31st FG
"Return with Honor"
Ram1 AAR:
Escorted the buffs into the heartland of Germany.
We first encountered 3 109s but did not engage.
Second encounter was with 12 or more 190s. We engaged to keep them away
from the bombers. No reported
kills but they didn't get to the bombers.
Third encounter was with 2 262s but they got through and destroyed 1 bomber
and damaged another which later was killed.
309th reports no losses and no kills.
Ram1
CO 309th FS
Frame 1
307th
Dracon Landed 1 109K
rebel Crash
Runnin Landed
Gshep Landed
TinyTim Landed
raga Landed
308th
Kobra Landed 1 190
Sadcac Captured
Leo Landed
Hazard Captured
309th
=raml= Landed 2 109K
SlpSht Crashed
Smiley Landed
ta Landed
HQ
daddy Warped 1 262 ,1 109K
LB Landed
Dslick Landed 1 190
Sharky Crashed
Sorties:18
Losses: 5
Kills: 7
Frame 2
307th
Dracon Landed
Rebel Landed
Runnin Landed
Gshep Landed
TinyTim Landed
308th
Kobra Landed
Efiter Landed
Sadsac Landed
Leo Landed
309th
Raml Landed
Slapsht Landed
Smiley Landed
HQ
Daddy Landed
Sharky Landed
LB Landed
Dslick Landed
Sorties:16
Losses: 0
Kills: 0
Frame 3
307th
Dracon Landed
Rebel Landed 1 109K4
TinyTi Warped
Gshep Landed
Runnin Landed
308th
Kobra Landed 1 190a8
Eftier Landed
Hazard Bail
Antix Landed
Leo Landed
Sadsac Landed
309th
raml Landed
Slapsht Landed
Smiley Landed
TA Landed
HQ
Daddy Landed
LB Landed
Sharky Landed
Dslick Landed
Sorties 19
Losses 1
Kills 2
Frame 4
307th
dracon Exploded
Rebel PKill 1 190D9
Runnin Captured
Gshep Captured
TinyTim Captured
308th
Efiter Captured 1 Me262
Leo Land
Hazard Land
309th
ram1 Crashed
SlapSht Land
Sadsac Crashed
Doggie Land
Smiley Land
Seasky Crash
Bond Crash
HQ
daddy Landed
LB Landed
Dslick Captured 1 109G6
Sharky Captured
Sorties 19
Losses 12
Kills 3
Frame 5
307th
Dracon Captured
Runnin Landed
Gshep Captured 1 190Dora
Tinytim PKill
Rebel Captured
308th
Smiley Landed
Efiter Warped 1 190Dora
Leo Landed
Hazard Captured
309th
ram1 Landed
Sadsac Landed
Slapsht Landed
Seasky Crash
Bond Disco
HQ
Daddy PKill 1 190Dora
LB Landed
Dslick Landed
Sharky Landed
Sorties 18
Losses 7
Kills 3
307th
Sorties 6 5 5 5 5 26
Kills 1 1 1 1 4
Losses 1 0 5 4 10
308th
Sorties 4 4 6 3 4 21
Kills 1 1 1 1 4
Losses 2 1 2 1 6
309th
Sorties 4 3 4 7 5 23
Kills 2 0 0 0 2
Losses 1 0 0 4 1 6
HQ
Sorties 4 4 4 4 4 20
Kills 3 1 1 5
Losses 1 2 1 4
Total Group
Sorties 90
Kills 15
Losses 26
daddy=
Commanding Officer
31st Fighter Group
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